The Greek word for “whole world” in Matt 24:14 is referring to the Roman world, it’s not referring to the planet, therefore Matt 24 isn’t talking about the end of the planet.
In the world today there are many people who claim to be Christian that say, “Matthew 24:14 says the gospel has to be preached to everyone on the planet and then the end of the world will come”, but the Bible does not agree with that teaching.
Colossians 1:23 says the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven, therefore Matthew 24:14 can’t be saying, “the gospel has to be preached to everyone on the planet”
The Greek word “oikoumene” for the words “whole world” in Matt 24:14 is referring to the Roman world, so what Matthew 24:14 is saying is, “the gospel has to be preached to the Romans world and then the end will come”
Colossians 1:23 confirms that the gospel was preached to the Roman world by the time that the book of Colossians was written.
The “end” that is spoken of Matthew 24:14 is not the end of the world, the “end” that is spoken of in Matthew 24:14 is the end of the age.
The Greek word for the word “world” in Matt 24:3 is “aion” or “age”, the word “aion” or “age” is referring to a time period, the word “aion” is not referring to the entire planet.
Matthew 24:3 – And as the Messiah sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world [aion – age]?
The gospel had to be preached to the Roman world and then the end of the age would happen, that’s what Matt 24:14 is saying.
The Greek word “oikoumene” for the word “world” in Matt 24:14 is also the word that is used for the words “whole world” in Rev 12:9, both Matt 24:14 and Rev 12:9 are talking about the Roman world. Matt 24:14 and Rev 12:9 are not talking about the entire planet.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon [the dragon in Rev 12:3 is Rome] was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world [oikoumene – the Roman world], he was cast out to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world [oikoumene – the Roman world] for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end [of the age] come. The “end” that is spoken of in Matt 24:14 is the “end of the age” that is spoken of in Matt 24:3.
The gospel had to be preached to the Roman world as a whole before the end of the age.
After the gospel was preached to the Roman world, then the end of the age happened, the “tribulation” that is spoken of in Matthew 24:21 happened when Jerusalem was destroyed, Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. The end of the age that is spoken of in Matthew 24:3, is the end of the age of the law, that age ended when the temple was destroyed in 70AD.
Matt 24:21 – For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be
Matt 24:34 – Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
Col 1:23 – Be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard and which was preached to every creature under heaven
Colossians 1:23 confirms that the gospel had already been preached to the Roman world by the time that the book of Colossians was written, therefore the “tribulation” that is spoken of in Matthew 24:21 has already happened, it happened after the gospel was preached to the Roman world.
The statement, “this generation will not pass until all these things take place” in Matthew 24:34 is referring to the time period of the disciples, it is not referring to our time period, we are not that generation, we are not in the “last days”.
Since Colossians 1:23 says the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven, that means everything in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21:5-33 has already happened.
There is nothing in the New Testament that says the gospel has to be preached in the world today, there is nothing in the New Testament that says the Bible was written for this time period.
Matthew 24:14 says the gospel has to be preached to the Roman world and then the end of the age will come, the end of the age happened when the temple was destroyed, the temple was destroyed in 70AD, therefore everything that the Messiah says in Matthew 24:14 has already happened.
There is a verse in the book of Revelation that talks about the tribulation, that verse is Rev 7:14. Rev 7:14 proves Revelation was written before 70AD & that means that everything in Revelation has already happened, here is a link to my post that show that Revelation was not written for time period https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/revelation-was-written-before-70ad/
In the world today there are many people who claim to be Christian that say, “Matthew 24:14 says the gospel has to be preached to everyone on the planet and then the end of the world will come”, but the Bible does not agree with that teaching.
A Christian is someone who is led by the Holy Spirit, no one led by the Holy Spirit will ever say,”Matthew 24 is about the end of the planet”, because that does not agree with what the Bible says. No one led by the Holy Spirit will ever say something that does not agree with what the Bible says.
If someone claims to be Christian and says something that does not agree with the truth that is written in the Bible, the person is not led by the Holy Spirit, the person is led by the flesh, those who are led by the flesh are not the children of God.
Romans 8:14 – For all who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.
In the world today there are many people who claim to be Christian that say it is ok for there to be different denominations in the church, that it is ok for a Christian to believe something different from what another Christian believes, but the Bible does not support different denominations in the church, 1 Corinthians 1:10 says that the church is supposed to believe the same thing.
1 Cor. 1:10 – But I urge {and} entreat you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, that all of you be in perfect harmony {and} full agreement in what you say, and that there be no dissensions {or} factions {or} divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in your common understanding and in your opinions {and} judgments.
A Christian doesn’t believe satan in the book of Job is a fallen angel, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe satan in the book of Job is a fallen angel https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/a-christian-doesnt-believe-jobs-satan-is-a-fallen-angel/
A Christian doesn’t believe Christ said “born again”, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe Christ said “born again https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-christ-said-born-again/
A Christian doesn’t believe “Lucifer” is an evil name, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe “Lucifer” is an evil name https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-lucifer-is-an-evil-name/
A Christian doesn’t believe Isaiah 14 is talking about a fallen angel, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe Isaiah 14 is talking about a fallen angel https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-isaiah-14-is-about-a-fallen-angel/
A Christian doesn’t believe Ezekiel 28:15 is talking about a fallen angel, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe Ezekiel 28:15 is talking about a fallen angel https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-ezek-2815-is-about-satan/
A Christian believes in predestination, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian believes in predestination https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-believes-in-predestination/
A Christian doesn’t believe the flesh can do good, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe the flesh can do good https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-the-flesh-can-do-good/
A Christian believes 2 Peter 3:9 is a word only for the church, here is a link that will show why 2 Peter 3:9 is a word only for the church https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-believes-2-pet-39-is-a-word-for-the-church/
A Christian doesn’t believe in fallen angels, here is a link to my posts that will show why a Christian doesn’t believe in fallen angels https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-in-fallen-angels/
A Christian believes adultery is a man coveting another man’s wife, here is a link to my post about Matthew 5:28 that will show why that verse says adultery is a man coveting another man’s wife https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-believes-adultery-is-a-man-coveting-another-mans-wife/
A Christian believes Romans 10:9 is a word only for the church, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian believes Romans 10:9 is a word only for the church https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/13/a-christian-believes-romans-109-is-a-word-for-the-church/
A Christian does not believe adultery is cause for divorce, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe adultery is cause for divorce https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-adultery-is-cause-for-divorce/
A Christian does not believe the English Bible is 100% true, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe the English Bible is 100% true https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/a-christian-doesnt-believe-the-english-bible-is-100-true/
A Christian does not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/a-christian-doesnt-believe-in-the-gospel-of-jesus-christ/
A Christian believes the gospel has already been preached, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian believes the gospel has already been preached https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-believes-the-gospel-has-already-been-preached/
A Christian believes the tribulation has already happened, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian believes the tribulation has already happened https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/a-christian-believes-the-tribulation-has-already-happened/
A Christian does not believe Revelation is about this time period, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe Revelation is about this time period https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-revelation-is-about-this-time-period/
A Christian does not believe demons are fallen angels, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe demons are fallen angels https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-chrstian-doesnt-believe-demons-are-fallen-angels/
A Christian does not believe Yeshua is the name above all names, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe Yeshua is the name above all names https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/a-christian-doesnt-believe-yeshua-is-the-name-above-all-names/
A Christian does not believe in the name Jesus, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe in the name Jesus https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/a-christian-doesnt-believe-in-the-name-jesus-5/
A Christian does not believe in water baptism, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe in water baptism https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/a-christian-doesnt-believe-in-water-baptism/
A Christian does not believe Christ died for everyone, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe Christ died for everyone https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-christ-died-for-everyone/
A Christian does not believe the devil also known as satan is a fallen angel, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe the devil is a fallen angel https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/2014/09/10/a-christian-doesnt-believe-the-devil-is-a-fallen-angel/
A Christian does not believe anyone is tempted by a fallen angel, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe anyone is tempted by a fallen angel https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-chistian-doesnt-believe-anyone-is-tempted-by-a-fallen-angel/
A Christian does not believe Christ is God, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe Christ is God https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-christ-is-god/
A Christian does not believe the Holy Spirit is God, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe the Holy Spirit is God https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-the-holy-spirit-is-god/
A Christian does not believe in freewill, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not believe in freewill https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-believe-in-freewill/
A Christian does not fight the government, here is a link to my post that will show why a Christian does not fight the government https://bornfromabove7.wordpress.com/category/a-christian-doesnt-fight-the-government/
Born From Above 
“There is nothing in the New Testament that says the gospel has to be preached in the world today, there is nothing in the New Testament that says the Bible was written for this time period.”
Wow, I’ve listened to a lot of “out there” ideas about the Bible, prophecy, etc., but I must say this has to be the first time I’ve ever heard someone say something like this!
So you don’t believe in preaching the Gospel today? (then what were you doing engaging with atheists on an atheist blog in the first place, I have to wonder…?)
Anyhow… You might write me off as some “non-Christian”, which I guess you’re free to do, but I would still consider you a brother in Christ, even if I do find that you have embraced some rather extreme and unbiblical ideas from somewhere or another.
Your entire treatise on Matthew 24 only appears to even mention about 3 or 4 specific verses in what is really a several-chapters-long sermon by Jesus (and yes, I believe you can call him Jesus, or “Hey-zoos” (in Spanish) or Yeshua, or many other versions, as in the end it is our faith in the person and work of Christ that is the defining issue, not the utterance of a special magic word that Saves us… “Sacred name” theology is really more akin to the mindset of witchcraft than Biblical Christianity…)
So I just have to ask, if everything in Matthew 24 occurred already, in the days of the apostles, then does this mean there was a period “great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.”? The destruction of the temple in 70 AD was certainly full of “distress”, but “unequalled from the beginning of the world until now”? Hardly!
After the destruction of the temple, did the people observe: “the sun being darkened, and the moon not giving its light” did the “stars fall from the sky”?, and were “the heavenly bodies shaken”?
And what about this: “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.”
Did this happen already as well…? You have to explain the whole chapter, the whole sermon in fact.
Not to mention, (I’m just dying to ask), if Satan is not a fallen angel, then what exactly DO you understand him to be…..?
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Matt 24:34 clearly states that Christ would return during the generation of the disciples, that is the truth, if you don’t agree with that truth, that’s great, it’s not my job to make you believe 🙂
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Yeah, I honestly don’t know what you think your “job” is at all, if you don’t even believe the Gospel needs to be preached anymore! I’m guessing you have absorbed some kind of weird, preterist form of hyper-Calvinism, albeit mixed with a bunch of other teaching that I couldn’t even begin to guess where it originated from….
Matt 24:34, like the rest of scripture, can only be shown to “clearly” say something if it in fact harmonizing with the OTHER verses that are immediately in front of it and after it! What you’re doing is called “proof-texting”. Anyone could take various bits and pieces of the Bible out of their context and make them say almost anything they want, but that doesn’t mean they’re valid.
This is why instead of actually having an explanation for those OTHER verses I listed, you just retreat to repeating the same, singular verse. Are the other verses not equally inspired by God? Are they any less authoritative?
I’m not trying to attack you, or just win an argument here or anything, I’m just really confused by where you’re coming from. I mean… If you’re bothering to even have a presence online in the first place, and share your testimony and write posts and everything else, then why would you not be willing to engage with other people in discussions about the Bible where you would actually attempt to explain it to them? Do you care about sharing the Truth with people, or don’t you…? I believe you DO, but you can’t just fall back on regurgitated the same few verses. The WHOLE counsel of scripture is what we’ve been given. Not saying that means we’ll agree on everything, but my gosh dude, you haven’t even seemed willing to engage in discussion with a fellow Believer, you instantly played “heretic” card on me, as soon as I said the word “preterism”. My goodness!
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Well, I have spoken the truth to you, and you deny that truth, therefore I do not consider you a brother, Matt 10:23, Matt 24:34, & Col 1:23 make it very clear that Christ returned during the generation of the disciples, if you don’t agree with that truth, that’s great, I have done my job, I spoke the truth to you, and you denied it, therefore there is no reason to have a discussion anymore 🙂
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Wha….?
” now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.”
THIS is what tells you that Christ already returned in the time of the disciples…???
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Col 1:23 says that the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven, does it not? And Christ commanded the disciples to preach the gospel to every creature, correct? Col 1:23 confirms that the great commission was fulfilled during the generation of the disciples, I hope you can see that truth 🙂
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So you believe the disciples actually spoke to “every creature under heaven” about Jesus in that first generation? Come on man… That doesn’t even make sense, and you know it…
Have you read Romans 1?
“18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse”
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Yes, I definitely believe that, I do not argue against what, Matt 10:23, Matt 24:34 & Col 1:23 say, the New Testament isn’t about our time period, New Jerusalem was created after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70 🙂
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The “New Jerusalem”, as in, the New Jerusalem described in Revelation…? You believe that’s what followed the Roman destruction…?
At this point I think I’ve only been continuing the exchange because honestly I’ve never heard something quite this bizarre before, and believe me, I’ve heard a LOT of bizarre interpretations of the Bible before!
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New Jerusalem doesn’t have a physical temple, you do know that right?
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Right. Doesn’t have a physical temple, because Christ is there Himself! Was the Resurrected in Jerusalem after 70 AD? Is he there now…?
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New Jerusalem is spiritual, all who believe that God’s Son is the Messiah, that no longer practice sin are New Jerusalem, the Messiah is reigning in all who are born from above, the kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical kingdom, after Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70, New Jerusalem was created, New Jerusalem is now, it is not a future event, Revelation was written before AD 70, Rev 11:2 talks about Jerusalem before she was destroyed by Titus and the Romans in AD 70, Revelation 11:2 proves Revelation was not written after the destruction of Jerusalem
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
It took the Romans 42 months (3 1/2 years) to destroy Jerusalem, just as Revelation 11:2 says, I hope you can see that truth 🙂
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(not to mention, I fully believe that God’s Son is the Messiah, yet you already denounced me as not even being your Brother in Christ, so, what’s the deal?)
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Well, you are not speaking the truth to me, therefore I know you are not being led by the Holy Spirit, & if you are not being led by the Holy Spirit, then I definitely do not believe you are my brother in Christ, I used to believe everything you believe, but then the Holy Spirit showed me the truth, and I stopped believing the teaching of man, the truth is, the New Testament isn’t about our time period, everything in the New Testament was fulfilled in AD 70 after Jerusalem was destroyed
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Yes, precisely… You claim that you are Christian based on belief in Christ, yet you then disavow yourself from others because they do not share your convictions about first century fulfillment (preterism…) So clearly you find this to be the defining thing that saves you, and not in fact, the sacrifice of Christ on the cross, so in that light, I suppose I wouldn’t consider us brothers either then.
I certainly don’t predicate my salvation based on the idea that since I came to faith I haven’t ever sinned again! If that’s crucial to your faith, then wow, I do pity you….
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Wow! You are very wrong, I believe Yeshua the Christ (the Messiah) died for me, and by that belief that God has given to me by the Holy Spirit that dwells in me, I don’t practice sin, which means that I am born from above, only those who are born from above see the kingdom of God, and enter the kingdom of God (John 3), the fact that I believe that everything in the New Testament has already happened, has to do with the truth & nothing else, my salvation has nothing to do with anything except the Messiah saving me from my sins, thru the Messiah’s death & resurrection, HalleluYah !
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It’s not enough to believe that God’s Son Yeshua is the Christ (the Messiah), one must also stop practicing sin, the Biblical definition of a Christian is someone that believes Yeshua is the Messiah that no longer practices sin. 1 John 5:1 Everyone who believes Yeshua is the Messiah is born of God. 1 John 3:9 No one born of God practices sin. 1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not [doesn’t practice sin]; but he that is begotten of God keepeth [guards] himself [by the Holy Spirit that dwells in him], and that wicked one [the spirit of the natural man] toucheth him not.
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Satan, the adversary in the New Testament is man. Romans 5:12 By one man [Adam] sin entered the world
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Yes, because Man had dominion over the world, not Satan. When he was tempted by Satan, and sinned, Satan gained a foothold…
Think about it… If “satan” is just some kind of archetype for sinful man, then who tempted Eve in the Garden? Adam? Well he hadn’t sinned yet, Eve sinned first, so how could a sinless Adam be the one who tempted Eve to sin????? Your definition of Satan unravels the claims of the entire Bible from the outset.
Think also about Jesus being tempted by Satan in the desert. So you believe that “sinful man” went to Jesus while he was fasting, and tempted him? Took him up to the top of the temple? Offered him all the kingdoms of the world, if He would only bow down and worship him…?
No wonder your theology is so wacky, if you can hold to such notions that just make an absolute mess of anything you’d try and teach from scripture…
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Sorry, the Bible never says that Adam was tempted by Satan, Adam became the devil after he disobeyed God
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Did you even read what I said?? I said EVE was tempted by Satan, and then she gave the fruit to Adam. (!) Have you read Genesis 3…?
“Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.”
But, according to your interpretation, the “serpent” is Adam, yet the scripture says that the Serpent first tempted Eve, who ate FIRST, and then gave it to Adam, at which point he was disobeying God…
How do you not grasp the magnitude of the discrepancy of the timeline of scripture, vs. your own claims…?
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Adam was the serpent, Adam disobeyed God, Eve did not, God told Adam not to eat of the tree, God did not tell Eve, sin entered the world thru Adam, that’s what Romans 5:12 says & I believe it 🙂
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So Adam was already the “craftiest creature in the Garden”, even before he ate the forbidden fruit…?
Again, context, context, context… What about the rest of Matthew 24? (or read the entirety of Romans 5 for that matter…)
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I already shared the link to Matt 24:29-30, that teaching will explain what Christ is talking about in those verses. Adam became the serpent as soon as he deceived his wife into eating of the tree, Adam falsely accused God for his sin, therefore Adam, the natural man is the devil that is spoken of in the New Testament, Christ called Judas a devil, & Christ called Peter, Satan, proving the truth that the devil / Satan in the New Testament is man 🙂
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It ALSO says that Satan entered into Judas…
So how did Satan enter into Judas, if Judas always WAS Satan all along…???
You really don’t have any idea, do you, of just how many verses are rendered completely nonsensical and in fact, borderline GNOSTIC in their implication, but what you’re saying here, do you….?
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Christ said that evil comes from within the heart of man, right? Christ said that nothing on the outside of man causes man to do evil, evil comes from within the heart of man, do you agree with that truth?
Mark 7:21-23 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
7:21 “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
7:22 deeds of coveting {and} wickedness, {as well as} deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride {and} foolishness.
7:23 “All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”
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Indeed. Believing in Satan as a fallen angel, and the tempter in the Garden, does NOT mean that mankind is not accountable for his own sin. It seems like perhaps that has a lot to do with your preference for such a bizarre teaching which clearly contradicts the scripture in so many different places…
Throughout the book of Job, Satan is clearly described as appearing before God along with other angels. You’re saying that “fallen humanity” appeared before God in this angelic meeting, and prompted God to test Job in that way?
Luke 11:17 clearly shows that Satan’s kingdom is the demonic realm, when Jesus says, ” “Any kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and a house divided against itself will fall. 18 If Satan is divided against himself, how can his kingdom stand? I say this because you claim that I drive out demons by Beelzebul. 19 Now if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your followers drive them out”
Again in Luke 10 Jesus says, “The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.”
and Then in Luke 13: “should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”
Do ANY of these verses make any sense at all, if “sinful man” is really Satan, and thus demonic possession/oppression is therefore somehow the work of fallen, sinful man…?
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Please refer to my teaching about Job’s Satan, also I never said that Satan isn’t an angel in the Old Testament, I said that Satan isn’t a fallen angel, Satan in the New Testament is the flesh, the flesh is the natural man, Adam, the natural man is sinful, the born from above man is not, the devil has no power over those who are born from above, therefore Christ destroyed the devil, as Hebrews 2:14 says 🙂
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whoa, you’re just confusing me more and more, and honestly, I doubt your “teaching” on Job is going to make much more sense than what you’ve tried to outline already. First you say that Adam was the Serpent, Satan, in the Garden, NOW you’re saying that Satan IS an angel in the O.T., but just not a fallen angel? (so Adam fell, and became Satan, a good angel…?) Like I said, beyond bizarre, it’s not even consistent with itself.
And Hebrews 2, what does it say? “Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. 16 For surely it is not angels he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.”
Right there it plainly speaks to the distinction between humanity, and he who held the power OVER humanity before Christ’s work on the cross….
You’re so mixed up I just can’t even hardly follow it anymore…
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The devil is the natural man, Christ was a man born of the Spirit, the devil that tempted Christ was Christ’s own desires, the Holy Spirit in Christ is what protected him from the devil, just as the Holy Spirit that lives inside those who are born from above, protects them from the devil, the flesh, the natural man has no power over those who are born from above, therefore the devil has been destroyed for all who are born from above, halleluYah !
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So when Jesus cast evil spirits out of people he was “casting out” the natural man…?
You believe in some kind of weird amalgamation of like Mormonism and JW’s, or, something, I honestly don’t know, but it’s not at all reconcilable with the Bible… You just grab little bits and pieces and then run with them, despite how much they completely contradict the broader whole.
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It’s funny how you always attack me, that’s exactly what the devil does :), the spirit of the natural man is evil, that is what Christ cast out, & no I am not a JW, Mormon, or any other category that comes from man, I am born from above, just as the Apostles were born from above, I believe that God’s Son Yeshua is the Messiah, and by that faith that God has given me, I don’t practice sin, which means I am Christian, HalleluYah !
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I’m not attacking YOU, friend, but admittedly I have gone after the things you have claimed to be taught in the Bible with a good deal of vigor. Please appreciate the difference. I too believe in Yeshua the Messiah, yet I never said you weren’t a brother, that was you.
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It is never wise for anyone that claims to be Christian to believe someone is their brother or sister in Christ, if he or she doesn’t speak the truth, I have spoken the truth to you by the Holy Spirit that dwells in me, yet, you on the other hand have not spoken the truth to me, therefore it isn’t wise for me to consider you my brother in Christ, acquaintance, yes, but brother, no, the Holy Spirit will not allow me to believe that
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James 1:14 says that everyone is tempted by their own desires, and Hebrews 4:15 says that Christ was tempted as everyone is tempted, therefore the devil that tempted Christ was his own desires
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